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• • • • • • A lil heads up for you Kel-Tec P3AT owners • If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the by clicking the link above. You may have to before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. • Welcome to the Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association Forum, we hope you like what you find here and we strongly encourage you to with us, especially if you are from Pennsylvania. Once registered you will have access to participate in our community. Thanks for visiting and we hope you become a regular! I just read this and figured someone should be warning people.

'During last summer I bought a Kel-Tec P3AT and some personal defense 'defender' ammo produced by MagSafe. I often practiced with my Kel-Tec at the range using standard Federal American Eagle, but due to the extreme cost, never fired the MagSafe ammo. I carried concealed with MagSafe in the magazine and chamber for 9 months due to their claims for stopping power and safety. Three weeks ago I was at the range and decided to try the MagSafe. On the first shot, the back of the cartridge peeled apart like a grape. The magazine blew out the bottom of the pistol, the slide bent and blew off the top, the frame split on the left side and every rivet blew out. My hand was blackened like in a bad Roadrunner/Wiley Coyote movie, but not injured.

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The gun collapsed into a pile of debris. My gunsmith called MagSafe and was told OH YEAH. WE'VE BLOWN UP TWO OF THOSE PISTOLS WITH OUR AMMO. WE NOW HAVE A STICKER ON THE PACKAGE THAT SAYS DO NOT USE WITH KEL-TEC P3AT. They said their ammo is extremely hot and exceeds SAMI specs (though it's not marked +P or +P+). Then they seemed to get personal about my level of intelligence and ability to read.

Note, there was no warning sticker about the P3AT on the package I bought last year. Kel-Tec was concerned immediately, and indicated that the gun is designed to break down under a KB such as this to protect the shooter by dissipating the force of the explosion. They wanted to examine the parts to learn from this accident. They offered complete replacement of the gun, even though it was clearly the over-juiced ammo at fault. Thursday the brand new replacement arrived with the same serial number as the destroyed gun, so I don't have a lot of registraion gymnastics to do here in the Peoples' Republik of New York.

Thank you Kel-Tec, for your concern and for the outstanding positive customer relations you demonstrated. MagSafe will never ride in my guns again, as my opinion is that it is unsafe.'

'Political Correctness is just tyranny with manners' -Charlton Heston '[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation.(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.' -James Madison, Federalist Papers, No.

'America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.' [ sic] -John Quincy Adams 'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.' -Thomas Jefferson Μολών λαβέ!

-King Leonidas. You're awful.

Glock22xd9 was nice enough to warn us all about the danger, and he gets called a dumb-ass and a chimp for his troubles. Men can be very hard on other men.

I see this all the time. Men surely have their faults, but I'd surmise that you're having some issues with punctuality. You're three years late. But, I guess it's never bad to call attention to a potential warning. ETA: EmptyMag wasn't being harsh when he said 'Give the chimp a cigar.' ; he was surely joking. That makes sense, because he was talking about the ridiculousness of trusting untested PD ammo.